tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post6216826209663770252..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: Aegean phonotactics against word-initial /j/Glen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-58743508966293039482013-10-28T11:05:13.823-05:002013-10-28T11:05:13.823-05:00I found another quote concerning Egyptian. On page...I found another quote concerning Egyptian. On page 38 of Allen's <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=Gd6aAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA37&dq=%22These+data+have+given+rise+to+three+opposing+interpretations:+that+j+was+originally+/y/+and+became%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=C4VuUpO_EqfJ2wX184HQBA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22These%20data%20have%20given%20rise%20to%20three%20opposing%Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-86562936729875548432013-10-28T10:44:11.108-05:002013-10-28T10:44:11.108-05:00Along with Egyptian, we might also include Elamite...Along with Egyptian, we might also include <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=j7b4vQ-XWJMC&pg=PA59&dq=%22The+phonemic+status+of+%5By%5D+and+%5Bw%5D+is%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RoRuUpvRLMP-2gWXkoC4Aw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20phonemic%20status%20of%20%5By%5D%20and%20%5Bw%5D%20is%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">Elamite</a> to the list of languages treating Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-63007336959859954242013-10-26T00:52:26.021-05:002013-10-26T00:52:26.021-05:00I was just reading an article by Alwin Kloekhorst ...I was just reading an article by Alwin Kloekhorst (http://www.kloekhorst.nl/KloekhorstLydianDatSg.pdf) suggesting that the Lydian λ is originally from "i̯". It's worth noting that a palatal glide is conspicuously absent from Lydian. Seems like an areal feature with the neighbouring Aegean languages.Casey Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15515485425230479050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-80002153043967144662010-02-23T17:03:34.273-06:002010-02-23T17:03:34.273-06:00Thanks for the link about the Phaistos Disk. Unfo...Thanks for the link about the Phaistos Disk. Unfortunately, such fakery has not been unheard of.Stephen C. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18239379955876245197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-51678251445920425452010-02-22T17:51:59.469-06:002010-02-22T17:51:59.469-06:00Occam's Razor is never a two-edged sword. It m...Occam's Razor is never a two-edged sword. It may only seem that way if you're on the wrong side of it and are looking for an easy way out.<br /><br /><b><i>"Since you proposed a regular phonological development of initial glides (JA -> A)"</i></b><br /><br />This isn't what I proposed. I proposed that the JA/A alternation is <i>purely</i> orthographic due to a lack of Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-43567157089293829682010-02-22T15:48:28.574-06:002010-02-22T15:48:28.574-06:00I know all too well about Occam's Razor, being...I know all too well about Occam's Razor, being a scientist (albeit not in linguistics). However, this is a two-edged blade: The low frequency of identifyable Minoan words with regular (or irregular) alternations plagues just about any theory: I am afraid that also includes yours. Since you proposed a regular phonological development of initial glides (JA -> A), some spatial or temporal Andras Zekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15850805830621290277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-20100979117563211742010-02-21T20:34:28.269-06:002010-02-21T20:34:28.269-06:00Perhaps I should also add this warning about the P...Perhaps I should also add this warning about the Phaistos Disc: <a href="http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article4318911.ece" rel="nofollow">Times Online: <i>Phaistos Disc declared as fake by scholar</i></a>. I can't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind many a time myself.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-30482331213980405062010-02-21T19:44:56.675-06:002010-02-21T19:44:56.675-06:00Bayndor: "I also realized that I did not cite...<b>Bayndor: <i>"I also realized that I did not cite all the possible examples for the initial I-/J-, so I amended that with the addition of I-TI-TI-KU-NI / TI-TI-KU"</i></b><br /><br />The whole point of <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=VvrRb3wRMcYC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=%22A+minimal+pair+is+a+pair+of+set+members+that+differ+from+each+other+with+respect+to+only+one+Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-28200405159662130712010-02-21T16:21:07.168-06:002010-02-21T16:21:07.168-06:00This is an interesting point of view - as I noted ...This is an interesting point of view - as I noted before. <br /><br />I also realized that I did not cite all the possible examples for the initial I-/J-, so I amended that with the addition of I-TI-TI-KU-NI / TI-TI-KU and the all-too-well-known JA-DI-KI-TE-TE- / A-DI-KI-TE-TE- pairs. Yet I must admit the scarcity of Minoan finds make it difficult to draw a decisive conclusion. I only chose to Andras Zekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15850805830621290277noreply@blogger.com