tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post1505195701370731594..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: Getting the origins of Mars and Vulcan rightGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-56169634268197919322011-05-26T22:12:55.068-05:002011-05-26T22:12:55.068-05:00Hahaha, nerds with good questions are always welco...Hahaha, nerds with good questions are always welcome. When I look at the name <b>Laran</b>, I prefer first to break it up linguistically. So I see an underlying Etruscan verb <b>*lar</b> 'to protect, to guard'.<br /><br />I put the asterisk before this verb because it's not been found directly in written artifacts but it pops up in <b>Laran</b>, in male names like <b>Laris</b> and <b>Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-36695726455188980692011-05-26T11:52:22.243-05:002011-05-26T11:52:22.243-05:00Being a blacksmith I find the origin of Vulcan ext...Being a blacksmith I find the origin of Vulcan extremely interesting, as was the entire post . I have been lurking around for awhile, enjoying your posts, and the discourse that follows, heated or otherwise. My question to you is what/who /how is Laran related to Mars/Maris or not?<br />Is Laran the Etruscan war god? Is Maris? <br />Please be gentle, I'm just a confused history nerd.Heidiannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875098188370755298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-9571490020013573022010-09-23T05:01:00.822-05:002010-09-23T05:01:00.822-05:00You're right, the only cases of a nom. sg. in ...You're right, the only cases of a nom. sg. in <b>-rs</b> I can find that don't have a stem in /rt/ are derivations of <b>cor</b> "heart" (e.g. <b>misericors</b>), which have /rd/. So I agree, the only existing pattern that an Etruscan <b>mars</b> could join was -Vrs/-Vrt-.Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929065286701743522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-27484915052247410482010-09-22T14:30:45.434-05:002010-09-22T14:30:45.434-05:00Hans: "Maybe I'm not getting something, b...<b>Hans: <i>"Maybe I'm not getting something, but how do you account for the /t/ in the Latin stem? After all, it's Mart- in the oblique cases."</i></b><br /><br />It just so happens that Latin nouns ending in <i>-ars</i> in the nominative always end in <i>-artis</i> in the genitive (eg. <i>ars</i>/<i>artis</i>, <i>pars</i>/<i>partis</i>). I know of none that show a pattern of <Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-32934765282315305802010-09-22T05:09:24.267-05:002010-09-22T05:09:24.267-05:00Maybe I'm not getting something, but how do yo...Maybe I'm not getting something, but how do you account for the /t/ in the Latin stem? After all, it's <b>Mart-</b> in the oblique cases. Do you see this as an Italic stem extension or do you assume that the /t/ was there in Etruscan (<b>Maris</b> from <b>*Marits</b>??)as well?Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929065286701743522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-78904833888220790702010-04-09T18:25:39.956-05:002010-04-09T18:25:39.956-05:00Thanks for the vote of confidence.
In Germanic la...Thanks for the vote of confidence.<br /><br />In Germanic languages, a strong reason for the sun being feminine rather than masculine may be the grammatical gender of the nouns in question that underlie these names. And the gender of a deity may seem 'switched' between cultures/languages in the same way as I mention in <a href="http://paleoglot.blogspot.com/2007/02/Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-72645607777312710252010-04-09T01:39:00.110-05:002010-04-09T01:39:00.110-05:00Hiya Geln, I know, hence the ;).
The sun, Sunna, ...Hiya Geln, I know, hence the ;).<br /><br />The sun, Sunna, is indeed female in my native tongue(s).<br /><br />The moon is masculine. Some connect him with the ancestor Mannus.<br /><br />I'm sure there is some reason for it.<br /><br />Like your blog. I don't understand half of it, but the geek part I totally get. :PHigginsweorxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14571950650837622245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-26788003156963695522010-04-08T18:41:46.855-05:002010-04-08T18:41:46.855-05:00Higginsweorx,
Yes, but Hel's gender isn't...Higginsweorx,<br /><br />Yes, but Hel's gender isn't an issue considering that the underworld's an inanimate, abstract concept that lacks any gender by definition. Deities which represent abstract concepts seem to 'switch' gender a lot throughout history between cultures and languages (eg. consider <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=DdhpAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Unfortunately,+Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-23219479515593491752010-04-08T12:19:12.784-05:002010-04-08T12:19:12.784-05:00Also consider the meaning of "Hel" as th...Also consider the meaning of "Hel" as the "covering", "hider".<br /><br />Of course, that's arguably quite late and firmly European. <br />Even worse, Hel's ruler is a she. ;)Higginsweorxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14571950650837622245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-35249971149639492082008-11-10T17:51:00.000-06:002008-11-10T17:51:00.000-06:00Also see page 630 of Mallory/Adam, Encyclopedia of...Also <A HREF="http://books.google.ca/books?id=tzU3RIV2BWIC&pg=PA630&vq=%22Mars's+agrarian+connotations+rather+suggest+a+rural+deity%22&lr=&source=gbs_search_s&cad=1" REL="nofollow">see page 630 of Mallory/Adam, <I>Encyclopedia of Indo-European Language and Culture</I> (1997)</A> where the authors manage to disprove their own reconstruction of <B>*Mawort-</B>(!!):<BR/><BR/><I>"Still, the equation Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-52190113615378121382008-11-10T15:56:00.000-06:002008-11-10T15:56:00.000-06:00I've let your comment through, Turskina, despite y...I've let your comment through, <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/profile/02420097947735780614" REL="nofollow">Turskina</A>, despite your empty Blogger profile page coupled with the likely personal misrepresentation and rhetorical pomp exhibited by "Kind regards from the world's best etruscologist, D.H.Steinbauer". No matter, let's discuss. :)<BR/><BR/><I>Mavors</I> is, as far as I know, only Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-65852462786860713482008-11-10T13:13:00.000-06:002008-11-10T13:13:00.000-06:00Dear M. Gordon,I do not speak in favor of Mallory/...Dear M. Gordon,<BR/><BR/>I do not speak in favor of Mallory/Adams, I really can't ... <BR/><BR/>"Some decades ago in Satricum (SW Latium) a stone was found, giving evidence that about 500 BCE a certain Poplios Ualesios had erected a temple to Mamartei (dative), who surely was a god of war.<BR/><BR/>This Mamart- (in Etruscan Laran `War-God`) even could protect in March - the prefered timeTurskinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02420097947735780614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-61342793300193100352008-11-09T10:16:00.000-06:002008-11-09T10:16:00.000-06:00I have that book and it is full of typos and error...I have that book and it is full of typos and errors. It seems that OUP didn't take the time to edit it properly before publication.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.com