tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post907364088862851238..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: Update of my "Diachrony of Pre-IE" documentGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-66110904591363801972008-08-19T08:16:00.000-05:002008-08-19T08:16:00.000-05:00It has not been approved, but I fear that in my pr...It has not been approved, but I fear that in my previous comment I wrote of Klimov's Ancient Kartvelisms of Indo-European languages rather than Ancient Indo-Europeanisms in Kartvelian Languages. My mistake if I remember this correctly.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, the point is Klimov dates a good number of IE roots found in Kartvelian to (1) Common Kartvelian, (2) Common Georgian-Zan, and (3) Common Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00573214747452132277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-75799846887556666892008-08-19T05:50:00.000-05:002008-08-19T05:50:00.000-05:00I am sorry I don't know anything about you so forg...I am sorry I don't know anything about you so forgive me if this is too basic ... but are you looking at PK by yourself or do you have any knowledge of Kartvelian? Have you read, for example, Klimov's 'drevneishie kartvelizmy indoevropeiskix jazykov'?Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00573214747452132277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-67933932743185143462008-07-23T02:12:00.000-05:002008-07-23T02:12:00.000-05:00Calling them "glottalics" just sounds better than ...Calling them "glottalics" just sounds better than "creaks" or "decem series" or what have you. :)<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why we got stuck on *septm but since we're here, I could probably mention about having crafted a hypothesis on how to get Finno-Permic *śeŋćim- out of that. First, it turns out that eng-acute is actually distinct from en-acute, I had been taking them both as the PU palatal nasalTropyliumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12113202845911582040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-57845422857307409002008-07-20T16:45:00.000-05:002008-07-20T16:45:00.000-05:00Tropylium: "So you ARE pairing *H2&3, OK,...<B>Tropylium: <I>"So you ARE pairing *H2&3, OK,[...] I got the impression you're merging non-labialized *h into the postvocalic allophone of *H1."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Oh no. I'm not merging Proto-Steppe <B>*h</B> into PIE <B>*h1</B> (glottal stop) at all. However, I believe that the glottal stop eventually weakened to /h/ in mediofinal positions within the Mid IE period which Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-5697822297221163492008-07-20T12:30:00.000-05:002008-07-20T12:30:00.000-05:00So you ARE pairing *H2&3, OK, that's what ...So you ARE pairing *H2&3, OK, that's what I was getting at. The pdf starts right away with *x and *hʷ so I got the impression you're merging non-labialized *h into the postvocalic allophone of *H1.<BR/><BR/>I can't make out if the tilde for *g is overlapping or not rendering at all, but if it's the former, switching to a superscript should do the trick.<BR/><BR/>Your comment Tropyliumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12113202845911582040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-70418718688443184662008-07-18T20:36:00.000-05:002008-07-18T20:36:00.000-05:00Oh yes, I just remembered one reason why early Pro...Oh yes, I just remembered one reason why early Proto-Anatolian must have had <B>*o</B>. It has to do with the commonly known fact that <B>*h3</B> rounded any neighbouring original short <B>*e</B> to <B>*o</B>. This rounding however is also evident in Hittite since the coloured vowels in these circumstances yield <I>a</I> (< PIE <B>*o</B>) instead of <I>e</I>. Laryngeal colouring took place Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-57508379333751173452008-07-18T18:42:00.000-05:002008-07-18T18:42:00.000-05:00Tropylium: "Ah, finally getting the thing to open....<B>Tropylium: <I>"Ah, finally getting the thing to open. Nice work so far."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Thanks! I'm glad it's working :)<BR/><BR/><B>Tropylium: <I>"[...] the font you're using seems to conflate g and g~. Or is it on my end?"</I></B><BR/><BR/>I'm noticing it on my computer too. It's an issue with the Code2000 font I guess. Maybe someone knows of a better font I could use for IPA that's "Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-33662344278400160902008-07-18T17:00:00.000-05:002008-07-18T17:00:00.000-05:00Ah, finally getting the thing to open. Nice work s...Ah, finally getting the thing to open. Nice work so far. One tech issue BTW - the font you're using seems to conflate <g> and <g~>. Or is it on my end?<BR/><BR/>Probably unsurprizingly, a few content questions that spring to mind:<BR/>- Any plans to sketch out your view of the entire phonological system at some select stages? At least the "initial" form would be Tropyliumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12113202845911582040noreply@blogger.com