tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post8357166417819132444..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: Etruscan Dictionary Project UpdatesGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-68832721041653864892009-01-22T16:21:00.000-06:002009-01-22T16:21:00.000-06:00Moritz Macke: "I see you take the individual suffi...<B>Moritz Macke: <I>"I see you take the individual suffixes and ascribe meanings of aspect and voice but then don't explain how to apply that to the meaning of the verb."</I></B><BR/><BR/>I'd probably have to go into a long essay to explain it, but to understand Etruscan at all, we have to discuss "split-ergativity". A phrase like <B>Mi turuce</B> means "I have given", <B>An turuce</B> means "He/Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-72004465693057697982009-01-22T14:31:00.000-06:002009-01-22T14:31:00.000-06:00Indeed, the information on verb forms is currently...Indeed, the information on verb forms is currently more confusing than anything. I see you take the individual suffixes and ascribe meanings of aspect and voice but then don't explain how to apply that to the meaning of the verb. I for one have no idea what the function of the "middle perfective" of "to be blessed" should be. Except that in the context the form appears in it suddenly is a Moritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748222238635182201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-89297433329926064992009-01-20T23:15:00.000-06:002009-01-20T23:15:00.000-06:00Any chance you could append an overview of what yo...Any chance you could append an overview of what you've figured out so far in regards to Etruscan grammar in the next update? I, for one, would find it a welcome inclusion.Casey Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15515485425230479050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-45674991499689860852009-01-19T10:57:00.000-06:002009-01-19T10:57:00.000-06:00Thanks, Glen, for your thoughts on Levin. I apolo...Thanks, Glen, for your thoughts on Levin. I apologize for posting in the wrong thread.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02878601741411757810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-3978227779177558282009-01-19T10:21:00.000-06:002009-01-19T10:21:00.000-06:00JkellyMap: "'Tawr' (bull) and its close PS equival...<B>JkellyMap: <I>"'Tawr' (bull) and its close PS equivalent is a famous example."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Yes, this is best demonstrated by directly comparing the Indo-European root <B>*tauro-</B> and Proto-Semitic <B>*θawru</B>. <BR/><BR/>Etruscan has a related word however this is no doubt a late loanword, probably from Ugaritic <I>ṯr</I> or even Phoenician.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-36759098488888690282009-01-19T10:15:00.000-06:002009-01-19T10:15:00.000-06:00This comment is probably ill-placed and would be b...This comment is probably ill-placed and would be better on one of my entries concerning PIE however, I would not consider Saul Levin an authority on anything and his book is amateurish. He directly compares Indo-European languages with Hebrew. The absence of any mention of reconstructed Proto-Indo-European or Proto-Semitic roots gives me the strong impression that he's not fully educated on the Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-45071986112526965772009-01-18T21:22:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:22:00.000-06:00For possible links bewteen PIE and PS (probably mo...For possible links bewteen PIE and PS (probably mostly borrowings), see:<BR/><BR/>Semitic and Indo-European II: Comparative morphology, syntax and<BR/>phonetics (= Current Issues in Linguistic Theory, 226). By Saul Levin.<BR/>Amsterdam & Philadelphia: John Benjamins, 2002. Pp. xvii, 592.<BR/><BR/>This is the continuation of Levin’s Semitic and Indo-<BR/>European: The Principal Etymologies (Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02878601741411757810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-81968691380369566982008-11-17T20:34:00.000-06:002008-11-17T20:34:00.000-06:00Kiwehtin: "I was trying to locate something l...<B>Kiwehtin: <I>"I was trying to locate something like this because of my curiosity about the clear similarity of Hebrew xayyim 'life' and Arabic 7ayaat 'life' < 7ayawa+at (root 7yw) to the PIE root of the same meaning that would have a shape something like *H2eiwon."</I></B><BR/><BR/>I agree that PIE <B>*h₂éiu-</B> "life force, life duration" (cf. <A HREF="http://Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-37971937223281132682008-11-17T08:37:00.000-06:002008-11-17T08:37:00.000-06:00I've been wondering if there is a full list so...I've been wondering if there is a full list somewhere - online or off - of IE and Semitic words with a putative relation (however one would like to explain them, whether via a common protolanguage or via language contact)? I have been looking for something like this and the closest I have come to something online is your blog and short list. I am pretty sure I have read - probably in Bomhard Kiwehtinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831448036496196819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-20669949438426641622008-07-27T18:09:00.000-05:002008-07-27T18:09:00.000-05:00I googled this *oveli myth and it brought me strai...I googled this <B>*oveli</B> myth and it brought me straight to Mel Copeland, the frenetic author of the <I>maravot.com</I> website (see <A HREF="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=etruscan+oveli&meta=" REL="nofollow">link</A>) but his idées fixes about a relationship between Latin and Etruscan lack the level of methodological rigour expected from serious academia.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-23058566796992811432008-07-27T17:17:00.000-05:002008-07-27T17:17:00.000-05:00Unfortunately I don't know what any of these words...Unfortunately I don't know what any of these words are. What you see in the pdf is what I have so far. However, if I were to wager a guess, I'd think that these words were probably loanwords from Anatolian or Ugaritic anyway. And as you say, Lydian is an Indo-European language but I don't believe there would be a direct connection between Lydian and Etruscan. Any loanwords from the Anatolian Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-6132296211000785102008-07-25T21:03:00.000-05:002008-07-25T21:03:00.000-05:00Do you know the Etruscan words for: plow, goat, co...Do you know the Etruscan words for: plow, goat, cow, or wheat? Thank you. By the way Etruscan has a large number of Lydian words in it even though Lydian is an Indo-European language and Etruscan isn't. For example, Lydian ovie and Etruscan oveli both of which are cognate with Latin ovis "sheep". Judith Jonescaballoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05153071381806199168noreply@blogger.com