tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post667238947833764533..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: Looking into the eyes of the IcemanGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-53757481092674012832011-12-09T00:39:15.260-06:002011-12-09T00:39:15.260-06:00Seadog: "One thing about the former, though: ...<b>Seadog: "One thing about the former, though: since Vasconic influence extended into France with Aquitanian, could it have reached what's now northern Italy?"</b><br /><br />Honestly I don't see why not but I haven't heard of anything that can resolve the issue conclusively. Personally I think it reasonable to suspect that Vasconic extended across a wider region before theGlen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-56799142533939394962011-12-09T00:03:50.756-06:002011-12-09T00:03:50.756-06:00No worries, Phoenix. Pedantics can sometimes be be...No worries, Phoenix. Pedantics can sometimes be beneficial to a discussion anyway, as I believe it is in this case.<br /><br /><b>Phoenix: "Last I heard, in Leiden people still seem quite convinced of the Proto-Italo-Celtic hypothesis."</b><br /><br />This may be so but as I explained, the basic facts mitigate against it and the theory is now generally understood to be antiquated as Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-63298278608359642872011-12-08T19:29:43.265-06:002011-12-08T19:29:43.265-06:00Before the mention arises, I'd like to quickly...Before the mention arises, I'd like to quickly and quietly summon and dismiss Vennemann's "Vasconic" and "Atlantic Semitic" theories. Especially the latter.<br />One thing about the former, though: since Vasconic influence extended into France with Aquitanian, could it have reached what's now northern Italy? Is there any archaeological evidence linking the current Casey Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15515485425230479050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-71061418011246770162011-12-08T17:54:46.037-06:002011-12-08T17:54:46.037-06:00"You're being a bit too pedantic and lite..."You're being a bit too pedantic and literal. I've simply left it vaguely at "some Celtic or Italic dialect", that is, "some PIE language having a Celtic or Italic essence." So your view and mine are effectively equivalent."<br /><br />Not my intention.<br /><br />Last I heard, in Leiden people still seem quite convinced of the Proto-Italo-Celtic hypothesis. PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-24053210172301899752011-12-08T08:28:26.847-06:002011-12-08T08:28:26.847-06:00You're being a bit too pedantic and literal. I...You're being a bit too pedantic and literal. I've simply left it vaguely at "some Celtic or Italic dialect", that is, "some PIE language having a Celtic or Italic essence." So your view and mine are effectively equivalent.<br /><br />However, you make the mistake of assuming <i>a priori</i> that a common Proto-Italo-Celtic must have existed rather than a western Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-29195753084106565332011-12-08T06:53:52.498-06:002011-12-08T06:53:52.498-06:00Celtic or Italic in Europe 5300 years ago?
Consid...Celtic or Italic in Europe 5300 years ago?<br /><br />Considering that PIE is commonly thought to've originated from Ukraine 4000BC, I'd hardly expect that in 3300BC we'd already be able to speak of such distinguished dialects as Celtic or Italic (if anything, Pre-Proto-Italo-Celtic), but any presence of an Indo-European language in the Alps that early seems a bit difficult to believePhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.com