tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post6383402782525304470..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: The net doesn't have to be an intellectual wasteland for Etruscan studiesGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-9038487015437470192008-04-02T18:44:00.000-05:002008-04-02T18:44:00.000-05:00Phoenix: "And what I mean with Lemnian and Lycian ...<B>Phoenix: <I>"And what I mean with Lemnian and Lycian still having it, is using an O for a phoneme apparently meant to be /u/."</I></B><BR/><BR/>?? Today I have an awful headache for some reason so maybe I'm dense but... when you write /u/, you're writing a phoneme. When you write "O" it's a letter and not necessarily representative of a single phoneme, nor must it be representative of [o]. Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-2087388428419550162008-04-01T16:56:00.000-05:002008-04-01T16:56:00.000-05:00Ah, that's quite convincing indeed. Sort of remind...Ah, that's quite convincing indeed. Sort of reminds me off how Greek inscriptions have ΑΟΤΟΣ rather than ΑΥΤΟΣ though. So it still doesn't cover the assumption completely ;)<BR/><BR/>And what I mean with Lemnian and Lycian still having it, is using an O for a phoneme apparently meant to be /u/.<BR/><BR/>As for Lycian, for that language I know for sure there is no phoneme /o/, (or /u/ there's PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-14176483795959405302008-04-01T14:46:00.000-05:002008-04-01T14:46:00.000-05:00Actually... To add, concerning Lemnian, we know th...Actually... To add, concerning Lemnian, we know that "O" is being used on the Lemnos Stele to write both /u/ and /w/. Words in that inscription like AOMAI make it rather self-evident that O is being used for /w/ in diphthongs. Thus a sensible transcription of the word should be <I>aumai</I>, not <I>aomai</I>.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-25460480411833456962008-04-01T14:35:00.000-05:002008-04-01T14:35:00.000-05:00Phoenix: "Right, proof once again to never trust W...<B>Phoenix: <I>"Right, proof once again to never trust Wikipedia [...] See, that got me confused."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Congrats, you found one of the easter egg <A HREF="http://www.answers.com/meme&r=67" REL="nofollow">memes</A>! Collect all ten! The problem is more than just how unreliable the digimaoist Wikipedia website is, but the fact that you only relied on a <I>*single*</I> source instead of Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-56094542829595813992008-04-01T05:45:00.001-05:002008-04-01T05:45:00.001-05:00Right, proof once again to never trust Wikipedia :...Right, proof once again to never trust Wikipedia :D<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language#Vowels<BR/><BR/>See, that got me confused. Oh well. Point still is that, well, Lemnian and Lycian has it. :D<BR/><BR/>With "V" I would indeed have little trouble assuming that the sound was in fact [u]. Nevertheless there seems to be this tendency to sort of mix the two letters up a lot in PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-36000404975807981552008-04-01T04:05:00.000-05:002008-04-01T04:05:00.000-05:00Phoenix: "As you and I both know the Etruscan alph...<B>Phoenix: <I>"As you and I both know the Etruscan alphabet spells their phoneme /u/ as a letter similar to our O."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Actually I think you're getting confused with another language related to Etruscan, <A HREF="http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/Lemnian.html" REL="nofollow">Lemnian</A>, which does use the letter "O" for the same vowel that Etruscans write as "V". <A HREF="Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-34599795587974552842008-03-31T18:54:00.000-05:002008-03-31T18:54:00.000-05:00It's quite bizarre how hard people try to stick to...It's quite bizarre how hard people try to stick to their own personal believes and use faulty reasoning to nullify anyone's good points.<BR/><BR/>And now in a completely different note, this has been haunting me for some time. It's an Etruscan (and incidentally also Lycian) related question.<BR/><BR/>As you and I both know the Etruscan alphabet spells their phoneme /u/ as a letter similar to our PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.com