tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post6037768480978722886..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: An online Etruscan Dictionary has arrivedGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-17201732774899036642010-02-16T22:17:05.989-06:002010-02-16T22:17:05.989-06:00I think I can narrow some possibilities down for m...I think I can narrow some possibilities down for myself concerning Lachish's etymology... <br /><br />It looks like in <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=NMkUAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA43&dq=%22La-ak-ki-iS-%22+%22cf.+the+well-known+Palestinian+city+of%22&cd=2" rel="nofollow"><i>Hellenosemitica</i> (1965)</a>, Astour mentioned a Hittite rendering, <i>Lakisi</i>, together with a later Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-43737162843126159252010-02-16T20:48:36.835-06:002010-02-16T20:48:36.835-06:00"I would suppose the presumptive triconsonant...<b><i>"I would suppose the presumptive triconsonant root L-CH-SH has no known Semitic etymology."</i></b><br /><br />Judging only by the spelling of the Hebrew name (לכיש), I'd expect instead a Proto-Semitic triliteral <b>*l-k-[š/θ]</b>. The latter letter has two possibilities unless, for example, we know whether the Ugaritic name ended in an <i>esh</i> or a <i>theta</i>. Both Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-71541616915480883232010-02-16T14:22:41.650-06:002010-02-16T14:22:41.650-06:00I did not judge Lachish as pre-Semitic--I recall i...I did not judge Lachish as pre-Semitic--I recall it from perhaps the Anchor Bible Dictionary. I would suppose the presumptive triconsonant root L-CH-SH has no known Semitic etymology. I am quite aware of the limitations of genetics; that said, I was curious about the possible Aegean etymology of Lachish.royjking2https://www.blogger.com/profile/00362194067096080395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-44334493962142215442010-02-16T13:01:05.283-06:002010-02-16T13:01:05.283-06:00Royjking2: "I am fascinated by Aegean substra...<b>Royjking2: <i>"I am fascinated by Aegean substratum language(s) and there is a toponym: Lachish is the Southern Levant that is pre-Semitic."</i></b><br /><br />On what basis do you judge Lachish 'Pre-Semitic'? There's also a danger in reading too much into genetic data since genes quite obviously tell us <i>nothing</i> about what languages people spoke.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-71063178474438248372010-02-16T07:50:47.491-06:002010-02-16T07:50:47.491-06:00What a great dictionary! I have a question. I am f...What a great dictionary! I have a question. I am fascinated by Aegean substratum language(s) and there is a toponym: Lachish is the Southern Levant that is pre-Semitic. I noticed that Lach, in the dictionary translates as to be counted. Could Lachish be remotely related to Lach with the pan-Aegean suffix -ss-/-sh-? It would fit with the patterns in Y chromosomes in the region from Tuscany to the royjking2https://www.blogger.com/profile/00362194067096080395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-32081858822703497102010-02-14T07:46:23.863-06:002010-02-14T07:46:23.863-06:00Bayndor: "I only asked this because in Linear...<b>Bayndor: <i>"I only asked this because in Linear A inscriptions, E is extremely rare as word-initial (JE is no way more common)."</i></b><br /><br />"Extremely rare" is a purely subjective description. Words beginning with <i>e-</i> nonetheless exist in the few texts of Minoan we have. Three come up in my database: <a href="http://www.people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-83263083778504699002010-02-14T05:07:46.166-06:002010-02-14T05:07:46.166-06:00Okey, you might be right. I only asked this becaus...Okey, you might be right. I only asked this because in Linear A inscriptions, E is extremely rare as word-initial (JE is no way more common). This is a fact, not an assumption - the assumption part is that this undeciphered Cretan language and Etruscan are related.<br /><br />Sorry for derailing the discussion from the online dictionary. I still maintain that it is useful, and I just used it Andras Zekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15850805830621290277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-52118278442090147992010-02-14T02:28:46.590-06:002010-02-14T02:28:46.590-06:00Bayndor: "Etruscan has a considerable number ...<b>Bayndor: <i>"Etruscan has a considerable number of words beginning with 'e', but the same is not true to other Aegean-family languages."</i></b><br /><br />You're reifying unproven assumptions.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-78045370751480462010-02-13T13:30:47.149-06:002010-02-13T13:30:47.149-06:00This is indeed a very useful resource. Maybe it is...This is indeed a very useful resource. Maybe it is just because I am no expert of Etruscan linguistics, that I would love to see some options to get all the known declination or conjugation forms of the word sought after.<br /><br />Actually, I have a somewhat unrelated question as well: Etruscan has a considerable number of words beginning with 'e', but the same is not true to other Andras Zekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15850805830621290277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-48735254662424821322010-02-10T20:13:09.712-06:002010-02-10T20:13:09.712-06:00Mordrigar,
I decided to start with the basics and ...<b>Mordrigar,</b><br />I decided to start with the basics and with just Etruscan word searching first. I can definitely code in an English search too with the data already loaded into the applet. That's what I've intended to do once I know that people aren't having too many problems with the basic interface I made.<br /><br /><b>Casey,</b><br />Thanks! I wasn't expecting that Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-54049039301975253292010-02-10T09:58:48.744-06:002010-02-10T09:58:48.744-06:00Thanks!Thanks!ZUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06733661299497804284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-62038004671144697912010-02-10T06:32:37.089-06:002010-02-10T06:32:37.089-06:00Hey that's great!
I have a suggestion though....Hey that's great!<br /><br />I have a suggestion though. It might be a good idea to make a fuzzy search option. If one would find a word in a transcription that wouldn't be the exact spelling/form you have it would probably be easy that it could still find a partial word.<br /><br />For example I tried searching for 'cap' instead of 'capi' which yielded nothing.PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-82605659800058022352010-02-09T23:04:16.439-06:002010-02-09T23:04:16.439-06:00Awesome. So very, very awesome. I've been play...Awesome. So very, very awesome. I've been playing on it for several hours now, <i>and it just keeps getting better</i>.<br /><br />One thing I noticed: I got most of the letter names, but there are a few I can't for the life of me figure out! Those would be the equivalents of gamma, delta, iota, xi, rho, and the "f" sign (as well as the one between epsilon & zeta, if that&#Seadog Driftwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06507818588513084271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-76460241611364029622010-02-09T21:06:46.486-06:002010-02-09T21:06:46.486-06:00Looks like it works if you enter an exact search t...Looks like it works if you enter an exact search term, but not if you use a partial term. Also it doesn't look like it searches English meanings.Mordrigarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15905659012488502823noreply@blogger.com