tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post582980338457241776..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: Cool stuff about Etruscan phonotacticsGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-10124290877479277422008-12-14T16:12:00.000-06:002008-12-14T16:12:00.000-06:00Peťusek: "Neither Middle Egyptian nor Ugaritic exp...<B>Peťusek: <I>"Neither Middle Egyptian nor Ugaritic explain the */m/ in Proto-Etrusco-Cypriot */sempʰa/."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Considering so many words with word-medial <B>-mɸ-</B> (eg. <B>hamɸeti</B>) or <B>-nθ-</B> (eg. <B>hanθe</B>) it almost seems to me like there was some sort of early phonotactic pressure to introduce <B>*m</B> or <B>*n</B> before what would otherwise be an intervocalic Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-90973164542551426962008-12-14T03:25:00.000-06:002008-12-14T03:25:00.000-06:00Glen: No, I meant "Afro-Asiatic" as in the Afro-As...<B>Glen: No, I meant "Afro-Asiatic" as in the Afro-Asiatic family of languages. (Proto-Afro-Asiatic itself dates to at least 10,000 years B.P. and so has nothing to do with Etruscan!)</B><BR/><BR/>I thought so. I was just making sure you hadn't redone your hypothesis completely. I've seen more shocking things on the net! ;-)<BR/><BR/><B>Specifically, the likeliest candidates for the donor Peťusekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02569341081414751770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-60721030176926979792008-12-14T00:23:00.000-06:002008-12-14T00:23:00.000-06:00Peťusek: "As for the numeral '7', by Afro-Asiatic ...<B>Peťusek: <I>"As for the numeral '7', by Afro-Asiatic you mean Proto-Afro-Asiatic or its daughter (such as PSem *sábʕ-u(m) or PEg *safḫaw)?"</I></B><BR/><BR/>No, I meant "Afro-Asiatic" as in the Afro-Asiatic <I>family</I> of languages. (Proto-Afro-Asiatic itself dates to at least 10,000 years B.P. and so has nothing to do with Etruscan!) Specifically, the likeliest candidates for the donor Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-61957925448106845942008-12-13T05:06:00.000-06:002008-12-13T05:06:00.000-06:00Peťusek: Also, I'd like to ask what origin you sup...<I>Peťusek: Also, I'd like to ask what origin you suppose for the Etruscan /-mp-/ and /-mpH-/ clusters."</I><BR/><BR/><B>Glen: For the clusters themselves or for the origin of the word? I believe that word-medial nasal-plus-stop clusters were always native to Etruscan and its prestages. However the numeral semɸ "7" is without a doubt an Afro-Asiatic loanword.</B><BR/><BR/>For the clusters Peťusekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02569341081414751770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-35181412965138186672008-12-13T02:33:00.000-06:002008-12-13T02:33:00.000-06:00Peťusek: "1) As for the aspirated stops in cluster...<B>Peťusek: <I>"1) As for the aspirated stops in clusters, I think there are typological parallels in other languages."</I></B><BR/><BR/>I think it might have to do with how aspiration is released in such clusters. It probably makes sense that both <B>θm-</B> and <B>tm-</B> would be phonemically neutralized to /tm-/ since the resultant phonetic difference between <B>θm-</B> [tm̥ʰ-] and <B>tm-</B>Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-88184540992723015692008-12-10T07:07:00.000-06:002008-12-10T07:07:00.000-06:00Hi, Glen. Since you're well acquainted with Etrusc...Hi, Glen. Since you're well acquainted with Etruscan phonotactics (certainly much better than me), I'd like to ask you a few questions.<BR/><BR/>1) As for the aspirated stops in clusters, I think there are typological parallels in other languages. For example, in English, or some varieties of it, at least, /p/, /t/, /k/ are not aspirated when they are preceded by /s/ (cf. top, pot, Kate vs. stop,Peťusekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02569341081414751770noreply@blogger.com