tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post3083749643275304127..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: The sun and the lionGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-34660004763156951002013-05-06T05:12:13.452-05:002013-05-06T05:12:13.452-05:00Moder-type lions probably managed to colonise post...Moder-type lions probably managed to colonise post-glacial SE Europe from Asia Minor across the Bosphorus. There are some early Holocene lion bones from Northern Spain, but it isn't clear if they represent "modern" or residual "cave" lions. I don't know of any subfossil record of lions in Italy. Between ca. 5500 and 3000 BC lions were common in the Pannonian Basin, on Piotr GÄ…siorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-53501984274281952802013-05-05T15:28:07.045-05:002013-05-05T15:28:07.045-05:00Greetings!
It is more possible that Egyptian word ...Greetings!<br />It is more possible that Egyptian word for lion had an -l sound rather than -r. (*lw)Lukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14968422366825023742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-47499146077805888462012-08-31T11:44:36.586-05:002012-08-31T11:44:36.586-05:00Yet there was also a lot of trade in the 1st mille...Yet there was also a lot of trade in the 1st millennium BCE between Carthage and Etruria and animals were clearly imported all around (notice the civet labeled <b>krankru</b> on one Etruscan wall which could only have been an African import through Carthage). Likewise lions have no doubt also been transported to foreign locales because they were, afterall, considered mystical animals.<br /><br />Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-14074754796074958212012-08-30T22:40:56.739-05:002012-08-30T22:40:56.739-05:00Didn't Herodotus write about lions in the Balk...Didn't Herodotus write about lions in the Balkans during the 1rst millennium B.C.? Not to say that the Etruscans wouldn't have inherited the word from Egyptian...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07469678358922266502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-46987531591371267562011-09-01T07:38:13.274-05:002011-09-01T07:38:13.274-05:00Yes, so Berber can be ruled out.
"To add: Yo...Yes, so Berber can be ruled out.<br /><br /><b><i>"To add: Your post seems to imply a relation between Lion and Sun. Why is this?"</i></b><br /><br />Imply? No, I *assert* a widespread connection based on things like the following.<br /><br /><b>In Egypt:</b> The lion-bodied sphinx is a representation of <i>Harmachis</i>/<i>Hor-em-akhti</i> 'Horus of the two horizons', a direct Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-48110354487641160252011-09-01T02:57:24.879-05:002011-09-01T02:57:24.879-05:00To add: Your post seems to imply a relation betwee...To add: Your post seems to imply a relation between Lion and Sun. Why is this? Was Lion written with the character for sun? is there any mythological reason why these two are equated? (completely clueless about egyptian culture)PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-45861737633297623652011-09-01T02:52:52.641-05:002011-09-01T02:52:52.641-05:00I thought I'd just add that the Berber word se...I thought I'd just add that the Berber word seems completely unrelated and is notoriously difficult to reconstruct.<br /><br />In Ouargla we find <i>ar</i> which would be an exiting correspondence with Semitic if we didn't have more cognates.<br /><br />The closely related language Mzab has <i>war</i>. People generally think Ouargla has an analogical form with a removed <i>w-</i> because PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-24832096390833928172011-08-31T21:06:26.279-05:002011-08-31T21:06:26.279-05:00See also Jashemski/Meyer, The natural history of P...See also Jashemski/Meyer, <i>The natural history of Pompeii</i> (2002), <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=3xfjyTqqR7IC&pg=PA440&dq=%22The+main+source+of+supply+for+the+lions+that+came+to+Italy+appears+to+have+been+North+Africa%22&hl=en&ei=5eZeTrDTLcKtsALQ6Owh&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA" rel="nofollow">p.440</a>: "The mainGlen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-28337511829717522252011-08-31T19:46:16.215-05:002011-08-31T19:46:16.215-05:00Here's a most apt quote.
Barker/Rasmussen, The...Here's a most apt quote.<br />Barker/Rasmussen, <i>The Etruscans</i> (2000), <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=00WT_S6r9OkC&pg=PA119&dq=%22So,+for+example,+the+lion+is+an+important+subject+of+Etruscan+art,4+but+there+were+no+lions+to+be+seen+in+Italy+(nor,+for+that+matter,+would+there+have+been+many+opportunities+to+see+them+in+Greece).%22&hl=en&ei=Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-54167381563689514712011-08-31T17:25:56.589-05:002011-08-31T17:25:56.589-05:00However we should ask ourselves why the Etruscans ...<i>However we should ask ourselves why the Etruscans would have borrowed the 'lion' word from the Greeks when the animal's habitat lies in Africa.</i><br /><br />Europe had its own lions until about 100CE.Dave Schulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02139815513591506818noreply@blogger.com