tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post2479193030672531026..comments2023-09-24T05:45:23.811-05:00Comments on Paleoglot: Etruscan Artemis and the unexpected vowel changeGlen Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-40741246385560500882009-12-06T10:18:43.710-06:002009-12-06T10:18:43.710-06:00Judith Weingarten: "It's more complicated...<b>Judith Weingarten: <i>"It's more complicated than that, of course, but there's no reason to continue a discussion with someone who already knows the answers."</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ad hominem fallacy.</b> I've clearly admitted to the implausibility of my own suspicions regarding A-RA-TU-ME above. I've already met you half-way so your statement is petty and defamatory.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-20974056287768048892009-12-06T06:13:38.372-06:002009-12-06T06:13:38.372-06:00I objected to your asking me to 'prove' a ...I objected to your asking me to 'prove' a negative. And still do.<br /><br />If you don't want to read further, you may go on thinking that I am splitting Minoan art into two distinct categories. It's more complicated than that, of course, but there's no reason to continue a discussion with someone who already knows the answers.Judith Weingartenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683483030413488309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-24074075713677086922009-12-05T22:40:20.422-06:002009-12-05T22:40:20.422-06:00Judith Weingarten,
It is you being silly now sinc...Judith Weingarten,<br /><br />It is you being silly now since you've clearly asserted above, "I'm afraid I am also denying the religious origin of many of the scenes stamped on the clay sealings."<br /><br />I asked you to validate that claim since I'm skeptical of "secular" Minoan art.<br /><br />You then stated, "How would we prove a negative?" which Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-49240463554114025392009-12-05T21:32:38.678-06:002009-12-05T21:32:38.678-06:00Provably non-religious? Let's not be silly. ...Provably non-religious? Let's not be silly. How would we prove a negative? <br /><br />That there is no reason to believe that most are religious in intent is quite another matter Please read my two articles in Kadmos before discussing further.Judith Weingartenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683483030413488309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-83057718031251081322009-12-05T21:16:03.127-06:002009-12-05T21:16:03.127-06:00Judith Weingarten: "I'm afraid I am also ...<b>Judith Weingarten: <i>"I'm afraid I am also denying the religious origin of many of the scenes stamped on the clay sealings. Some are, some aren't."</i></b><br /><br />Alright, now you've successfully amazed me by the extent of your denial.<br /><br />Could you please specify <i>which</i> scenes on these seals are provably non-religious and how you arrived at such Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-42031172814427766482009-12-05T20:51:42.136-06:002009-12-05T20:51:42.136-06:00I'm afraid I am also denying the religious ori...I'm afraid I am also denying the religious origin of many of the scenes stamped on the clay sealings. Some are, some aren't. Sorry.Judith Weingartenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683483030413488309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-29522660289234812732009-12-05T19:50:41.453-06:002009-12-05T19:50:41.453-06:00"It is entirely possible to deny the religiou...<b><i>"It is entirely possible to deny the religious aspects of those (and many other) Ayia Triada seals."</i></b><br /><br />I understand this to mean that while the source of the scenes stamped on the clay are obviously religious in origin, you would deny a <i>connection</i> between these religious scenes and the nature of the text. Fair enough.<br /><br /><b><i>"Even if Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-79683910914624342009-12-05T04:02:18.382-06:002009-12-05T04:02:18.382-06:00It is entirely possible to deny the religious aspe...It is entirely possible to deny the religious aspects of those (and many other) Ayia Triada seals. You might want to read some of my articles on them in Kadmos.<br /><br />I would emphasize that the archer seal occurs on two roundels, which are every-day receipts of simple administrative types. Even if a-ra-tu-me is a correct reading (very unsure), it refers to goods in/out of storage. One Judith Weingartenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683483030413488309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-14612017299929741202009-12-05T03:49:32.530-06:002009-12-05T03:49:32.530-06:00Judith Weingarten: "First, the archer is deci...<b>Judith Weingarten: <i>"First, the archer is decidedly male, so not Artemis."</i></b><br /><br />Artemis' twin brother, Apollo, <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_Artemis_Brygos_Louvre_G151.jpg" rel="nofollow">was an archer too</a>. Also, we can't rule out whether it's the goddess being represented here or a devout hunter who honours her.<br /><br /><b>Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202150793869184289.post-43326228421322616962009-12-03T06:06:43.379-06:002009-12-03T06:06:43.379-06:00I don't think this will wash.
There are two ...I don't think this will wash. <br />There are two examples (now HT Wc 3016, 3017) of Minoan roundels stamped by the archer seal. First, the archer is decidedly male, so not Artemis. Second, on Wc 3017, the inscription can be read [per Eric Hallager, The Minoan Roundel, 1996]reads QA-KU-RE DI *306. The equivalent inscription on Wc 3016 is KA-KU-PA A630?.Judith Weingartenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683483030413488309noreply@blogger.com